#transmisogyny

[patricia-taxxon]

What are you smoking to somehow think being fat and being trans are equivalent.

Being fat is something directly linked to your body. It’s something can change or go away, and often changes by choice.

Being trans is intrinsically part of your identity. If you’re trans, you’ll never not be trans.

Someone who is fat could always choose not to be. Someone who isn’t fat can always choose to be.

Someone who is trans cannot decide to be cis. Someone who is cis cannot decide to be trans.

Well, this is actually an important thing to bring up, because I'm also thinking of advocating the de-emphasis on identity with regards to trans liberation and instead focusing on bodily autonomy, less "you don't need to transition to be trans" and more "you don't need to be trans to transition." And in that case what I'm talking about is very similar. Fatness is seen as destructive, a mistake, people make health scares about it, it is impossible to pick truth from pseudoscience, fatphobia is so engrained in every facet of our culture that we don't even think about it. This is where the trans comparison comes in, the ways people unwittingly perpetuate transphobia just through a lack of vigilance,

"Be careful, you really need to make sure you want it,"

"You need to consider all of the health risks,"

"But you're so sexy the way you are :("

It's the same thing. Transphobia & Fatphobia are both in the antisemitism side of bigotries, the interloper who symbolizes or engineers the downfall of white patriarchal systems from the inside and makes the paradox of all other bigotries against supposed hoards of brainless brutish inferior outsiders make sense.

[cl0ckworkqueerness]

i must remind every trans person on tumblr right now to always love other trans people. there is no such thing as a "bad type of trans person", even if one of those trans people from that other group says something you don't like (or even something genuinely terrible and hateful). you can hate those individual people, but do not take your anger out on the rest of the group. trans unity means we ALL stand together, not just the groups we deem "palatable".

stand up for trans women. stand up for trans men. stand up for agender people. stand up for nonbinary people. stand up for genderqueer people. stand up for intersex trans people. stand up for genderfuck people. stand up for all trans people. transmasc, transfem, transneutral, transmascfem, unlabeled, questioning, everyone.

and this post goes for every single one of those groups listed above and more. it applies to everyone, it means everyone.

love and fight for the groups more than you hate the individual.

don't fall into transphobia (of ANY kind) at the drop of a hat just because one person has a bad take on tumblr.

[aishabellasbigblogofeverything]

Literally! I’ve seen other Black female users on here talk about it, too, like now some Black woken have internalized the idea that we innately have more masculine features/bodies than white women and lean into racial science because of it. If you go through my #masculinization of Black women tag on here then you will see it. Like people don’t know the difference between pointing out the stereotypes people hold about different genders or groups and unironically feeding into those stereotypes because they think that something about them is inherently faulty which is why the rhetoric exists about us in the first place and it’s genuinely challenging and scary. Enough!!! 😤

transmisogyny and transphobia has done such a number on feminism and the fact that its bled into the mainstream is actually oustanding......... if someone in 2014 said that women are biologically and intellectually weaker than men thered be a buzzfeed article mocking them in the hour, now it's like. policy.

[sodomit]

"But if you're saying trans men aren't seen as men and don't have male privilege, doesn't it imply that trans women do?"

No, it doesn't.

You think trans people must either occupy the "man" social role or the "woman" social role and you try to assign them on the basis of your belief in "opposite genders".

I think trans people occupy a completely different social role, "gender deviant". And being recognized as men or women by the patriarchy is exclusively for (some, not even all) cis people.

And none of it means trans people aren't the gender they say they are, btw, because your gender isn't how other people see you (that's social perception, a set of gendered roles), but how you see yourself.

[ashenmind]

there is at least one pretty major issue with this actually

[gremlingirlsmell]

i think if you've fabricated or participated in transmisogynistic pedojacketing callout harassment campaigns you don't get to just pivot into being outspoken about transmisogyny and transfeminism just like that. without at least apologizing to your victims and deleting the offending material. this shit kills people. transfems are extremely unsafe around you. what the fuck is wrong with you

[princessefemmelesbian]

@cryptid-catnip

in the figure of “just a little guy, just a little birthday boy” is the image of 21st century ethics. everyone is constantly trying to like position themselves as uniquely non-agentic, to defer or deny what power they have or can have over others, to self-absolve by adopting an affect of ignorance or victimhood or perpetual adolescence that can be transmuted into moral righteousness

[rabid-catboy]

Okay first off please don't take this the wrong way I promise I'm not trying to say trans women all have male privilege or something. I think it is perhaps important to consider that while trans women do make up the majority of trans homicide victims, generally (cis) men make up the majority of homicide victims. In 2020 in the US, men made up 82% of victims.

I think trans women being killed more than trans men isn't necessarily because of transmisogyny being so strong or w/e, but a combination of people being more okay with killing people *they view as* men, and because transfems are much more likely to be sex workers than transmascs (though that may be caused by transmisogyny). Gay men are also killed at much higher rates than lesbians, and usually most homophobic rhetoric and laws and tropes are targeting gay men specifically, but I haven't seen this used to say lesbians have it significantly better, or have structural power over gay men, the way I have seen the same used to say that about trans men

Obviously, trans women are not men and trans men are not women, but to transphobes enacting violence, they are. Imo, it's important to keep in mind that transphobes do not actually view trans people as the gender that they are, and this means that the mistreatment of us will mirror the mistreatment of the gender we are transitioning away from, not towards.

I'm not saying that trans men have it worse, or that trans women all secretly have male privilege or something, just that less overt obvious violence towards trans men does not mean we have it significantly better, just as lesbians facing less overt obvious violence does not mean they have it much better than gay men. If you argue that gay cis men have it worse than lesbian cis women because of this, fair enough, that's consistent, but you can't define male privilege as "the privilege men of any group will always have over women of the same group all else being equal" if you do. (Or you could argue cis gay men are also affected by transmisogyny, I guess?)

Genuinely please don't bite my head off for saying transphobes don't actually view trans women as women (and vice versa) and that affects how they're treated skdkfkdjxhd if you have a good faith criticism of this post I'm all ears

[thegenderienvy]

Maybe instead of just talking about transandrophobia and transmisogyny as two separate ideas we should just start saying “gendered transphobia” as a sort of umbrella term? That would maybe help emphasize the similarities between the two experiences instead of focusing on the differences.

[little-computer]

they really tried to slip tma/tme in there as somehow a part of "cisgender society trying to know your 'real' gender" as opposed to a signifier for the very real power dynamics of transmisogyny, which is what transmisogyny affected and transmisogyny exempt actually mean.

every day it gets more depressing to be a transfem on this website.

*gripping my hands so hard on a young trans persons shoulders that their bones are about to break*

do not log on to 4chan.com. do not get involved in passing olympics. you will always lose. do not put afab/amab/tma/tme in your bio, that is cisgender society trying to know your “real” gender. you do not exist to please cisgender people. there is no ‘right’ way to be trans. learn your goddamn history, listen to your elders. listen to other disenfranchised groups. listen to intersex people and check yourself for intersexism. listen to trans poc and check yourself for racism. listen to disabled people and check yourself for ableism. be open to learning always. labels are meant to fit you, not the other way around. you are not weird or predatory for simply being attracted to others. you’re fine if you’re not a skinny white twink or a barbie doll. you’re fine if your body is ‘weird’. you’re fine if you don’t have heavy or any dysphoria. it’s okay if you actually don’t want to transition or anything like that. life is worth living at any stage, you deserve to be happy. I SWEAR THAT YOU ARE OKAY!!!!!

[thedorkdionysia]

i swear a transfem could make a post about her favorite color on this site and instantly you'd have tmes coming out of the woodwork to explain why that being her favorite color means she's a hostile person or that a woman liking that color is reductive and gender essentialist or that it's a very "masculine" color to enjoy. because god forbid a woman have opinions on the internet

[pretty-kitten-paw]

The interesting thing about viewing the oppression of trans women as the oppression of men is that like if that were true we'd have to have access.

We are denied access to most forms of maleness and femaleness. If you find yourself arguing that the oppression of trans women is because they are seen as men then where are we? Where are the trans women? Where are the overwhelming numbers of trans women in the military? Where are the trans women in football stadiums chanting insulting songs?

The only place in male soceity the trans woman is given is the male prison. Because this is where she will be hurt most.

Everything else is transmisogynistic. Pushed into homelessness from familial abuse? Sex work the only work available to you? No support spaces other than those created by your sisters?

Transmisogyny. If our maleness was the only thing punished about us we wouldn't need to boy/butch mode.

[millenianthemums]

the way people treat transfems makes me so fucking angry. i know some trans girls who’ve been so hurt by the world that they try to make themselves small and invisible to protect themselves from being attacked by vultures hunting for the tiniest scrap of imperfection they can use to bring them down. it’s heartbreaking. i wish i knew how to help them feel safe, beyond just truthfully saying “if anyone tries to hurt you i’ll rip out their voicebox like a rabid wolverine.”

[velvetvexations]

The TRF argument will literally always come down to just "Oh yeah? well if transphobes see trans women as men, then why are they oppressed? men aren't oppressed and androphobia isn't real, so they must think they're women, because only women are oppressed! I'm smart."

Trans women aren't oppressed for "being men," or for their "maleness" or "masculinity." They're oppressed because people AMAB are supposed to be one way and they aren't. It's SUCH a simple concept to understand that being seen as a man is not an automatic get out of oppression free card. If you can understand Black men are oppressed in spite of being men you can understand that there is also a faggot modifier appended to trans women being a perceived man. You have to believe that gay men aren't oppressed and were never historically murdered at the same rates as trans women, or that cis people have just in the last ten years been able to distinguish between cis gay men and trans women as concepts.

Being a trans woman does not need to be made scarier than it is. It's already maximum scary. It does not diminish our suffering to understand that transphobes don't think we're men. But some people are legitimately just desperate to be a Women in every single way cis women are and want the radfem conception of womanhood based in misery and oppression to confirm they're women because they're too weak to be women from pure will alone. They need the oppression to be based on their womanhood being recognized because if even one person doesn't recognize it the TRF falls apart and can no longer consider themselves a woman.

That's weak. That's a weakness. Fucking feeble. If you need to tell yourself that you're ~taxonomically~ a woman in order to be one then I'm better and more powerful than you because I simply think I'm a woman and therefore I am. You're a fucking scrub if you can't just be your gender all on your lonesome the way I can.

Just like TERFs, TRFs cling to anything they can that tells them their identity is "real." When a TERF throws up an image of a uterus everywhere, it's because she can't identify in any other way and feels an overwhelming need to confirm to herself over and over that she's a "real" woman. But newsflash: cis women aren't real women either! There is no such thing as a man or a woman except what exists in our mind.

It's ridiculous that I get accused of not thinking trans women are women simply because I don't think it needs proving with hard science. Insecure motherfuckers. Literally just get over it. This includes trans men who are so insecure in their masculinity need to be told they could oppress the shit out any woman ten times a day.

Get over it.

[catgirlforeskin]

it’s always a bit funny seeing bloggers who were regularly spreading fabricated sexpest callouts of trans women and drumming up harassment campaigns for us now this year pivoting to criticizing tumblr for being transmisogynist to save face.

There’s so many of these popular blogs who did that shit and have done nothing to make amends for this extremely cruel behavior, not even apologized or deleted the posts (apas-95’s post calling me a pedophile is still up, attached below, alongside my post with the “literal actual child porn”)

and of course apas-95 isn’t the only prominent blogger on here to do this thing; I’ve seen so many make and spread these harassment campaigns against me, trans women I know, and god knows how many I’ve never met.

It’s just kinda shitty seeing these people keep posting as if nothing happened with no consequences for their actions or even acknowledgement, when a whole lot of trans women harmed by them don’t get to, how many lost friends and support networks and were driven off tumblr or offline entirely from that cruelty. And, of course, this ostracization is just as common offline as it is online. It sucks!

[mascflowers]

"Transgender people can't be radfems, because radical feminism is inherently transphobic."

Did you magically forget about internalized bigotry? or do you genuinely think it doesn't exist or something.